my little indian...opinions welcomed

aballein · Veteran Member

it has what i believe to be some form of MD on the inside of the E on ONE, but what do you guys think it would grade, not that i plan to ever send it in, im just curious. I think i paid $4.00 for it from a barn auction. Its currently housed in a cardboard 2x2(cant bring myself to free it, its the nicest indian i have and im a chicken)

Jack · Veteran Member

It would be AU at the lowest and is a very nice coin. The mark inside the "E" of one is a die chip I think and as such should not take away from a grade.

aballein · Veteran Member

from what i can tell its not a die chip, looks more like some sort of shelf doubling, if you look real close you can see it on the upper part of the E as well as the middle part of the E

Robert · Senior Member

Longacre doubling?

Dick · Expert Member

Aaron, I agree with you. I see what you mean, just below the closest part of the middle cross piece. It, and the small area at the top both look to be MD, but not noticable. Very nice coin!
Dick

Bob P · Site Admin

I think Robert hit it on the head with Longacre doubling. This type of doubling is very prevalent on Indian Head Cents. You can find out what this type of doubliing is by doing a Google search on 'Longacre Doubling'. Here is a link to a forum that discussed it a little bit, and has some nice pics to boot.

http://www.fly-inclub.org/talk/viewtopic.php?p=1687&sid=144a1c61d478140741da4607b565424f

Dick · Expert Member

Bob, thanks for posting that link. I have some IHC, and if I ever get to them, the link will be very handy. Thanks, again
Dick

aballein · Veteran Member

fascinating stuff...wonder why Longacre would do such a thing, guess we will never know for certain but thanks for the link Bob, im just now starting to get into indians due to the fact im only lacking the keys and a few semi keys in my linc circ set. One of these days i will have complete sets...maybe

GarryN · Expert Member

Is the E and S in the link doubled or recut? My 1908 S has a recut E in Cent. Thats the one that appears on the home page and is the Snow 1 variety. The 1907 in this string is very very nice, MS in my opinion. I have a 1903 that has a similar toning pattern on boh sides of it.

coop · Expert Member

Judging from what I've seen from different Indian Cents, it seems that the letters were not hubbed deep enough and wider. So realizing that this should be fixed the die was hubbed deeper with thinner letters to make them deeper. I have nothing to prove this, but it appears that the letters are two different sizes and one set is deeper. Just by observing this, that is what it appear like to me. Because it is called Longacher doubling, this must have happened a lot, as there is no extra value for that doubling. The question I have is this: Did it happen to the die or the hub. You see this doubling on several coins from a certain year, but not all. So I'm guessing the hub was at fault.

Bob P · Site Admin

The following came from the coin resource web site concerning Longacre Doubling. Remember that this anomaly was not found exclusively on Indian Head Cents.

"Many dates show bold "outlining" of letters and devices, resembling a double strike but probably the result of excessive forcing of the design punches into the die steel, causing a hint of their sloping "shoulders" to appear as part of the coin's design. So common is this phenomenon on United States coins of the mid-19th century that it has acquired the name "Longacre doubling."