Fourth Die

[Dick]

I know this is the wrong place, but I tried several times under the "other metals", and kept timing out, so maybe it will load here....

Seemsd i MADE A BOO-BOO, CALLING THAT "WHAT EVER IT MAY BE" A "DIE". tHERE ARE THREE DIES, USED IN THE MINTING PROCESS, hAMMER, aNVIL, AND COLLAR. wHAT SHALL WE CALL THE "THING THAT MAKES THE "STUFF ON THE edge OF THE COIN? iT CAN'T BE THE "FOURTH DIE", OR CAN IT???
pLease excuse the caps! I can't see the keyboard, and screen both at the same time, so I don't know what is coming out, ( until I try to read it, and then......"Let us pray"!!!
Dick

[eagames]

The edge lettering machines that the mint wasted a bunch of our tax money on.

[coop]

The setup mill is not a die. After the planchets are cut, the mill presses the upturned rim and after plating they are struck with the two dies with the collar on the outside rim. The setup makes the rim, the dies add the design and the collar keeps the coin round.

[Dick]

Coop, I knew about the set-up mill, and what it's purpose is. It has always, *more, or less) been a part of the minting process. The "Edge letterinf mill is what I was referring to, as ED so promptly said. Call it what you will, it is NOT a thing of beauty, NOR does it contribuite to the beauty of our coinage. To the contrary. It only does what those DOLTS want it to do: make game tokens, at the tax-payers expense.
Has it been hot enough for you, Coop? We hit 112 yesterday! Maybe it's time to put away the long-handled drawers, again!
Dick

[smed]

I agree that the edge lettering was something that shouldn't have happened, but they should have done it like it was done originally -- make the lettering part of the collar.

And that's post #400.

[coppercoins]

How "originally" is that? I thought the original Philly mint in 1792 did the edge lettering using a hand crank mill, because the coins were all struck out of collar. Byt he time the steam press arrived in 1835, they had gone to placing lettering and reeds on the collar.

I think the idea in this day and time of using an additional process to make what the press is fully capable of is a complete waste of energy, time, and money. I agree that it should have been in the collar...that would have completely knocked out the possibility for a struck coin without lettering on the edge, and would have saved us a bundle of money.

Heck, the coins are ugly anyway - who cares about lettering on the edge?? They should concern themselves with artistic designs people want to collect, THEN concern themselves with fancy crap.

[Dick]

RIGHT!
Dick

[coop]

Dick: It is hot here this year. Broke prievious records and turning over 30+ days over 110, since June. Still going. Maybe we will get some of the hurricane rains later on in the week. The heat kind of reminds you what toast feels like in the toaster..

[Dick]

Coop, I don't envy you, and the heat you have been getting. We have an ocean west of us, that should make it more pleasant, here, but there are also a couple ranges of mountains there, which don't gelp a bit! We do have the advantage of being due South of the Cajon Pass, which gives us a breeze, 24/7, normally. But in times like these, we get nothing but huge clouds formations, and HEAT!!!! No rain! Like you say, there might be a chance of getting some moisture, because there is a Hurricane, off the coast of Baja Ca., and with Felix barreling across the Carribian, so far south, we could get some of it, too. We had some of the after effects from Dean. I am going to check some of the old records for the hurricane paths, that are recorded in Mexico. They were obtained from the, "then" Commision of the Rio Fuerte", which later became "Commision of Water Resources". I put in a lot of volunteer time there, particularilly when there was a "cyclone", as they are called there. I helped with the tracking, with info from the USWS, by phone. It became a regular thing that when there was a "cuclone", I got called to mount a watch" Lots of fun, and very interesting, as well
Dick

[smed]

[coop]

Maybe Rain?