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1956 D Interesting Gouge
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:27 pm Reply with quote

Check out this interesting gouge, at first I was thinking how did that get up there Laughing
It does look like a RPM at first, especially with all the different ones for this date. It is the same size of a "D" and it almost looks like those are serifs.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:46 am Reply with quote

I did a little photoshopping and came up with this-


It does fit perfect. The more I think about it though, I think I remember reading an article about one of these which was disproved but am not sure which date.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:31 am Reply with quote

This is a well known die. The difference between your interpretation, and the known one, is that previously, it was thought this anomaly was a re-punched 5 of the date...not a misplaced mintmark. There are many articles about this. I will see if I can locate a few and leave the links for you.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:34 am Reply with quote

Actually this is classified as a doubled die, CONECA 1-O-VII, although there is some controversy surrounding it. Classed as a modified hub doubling, some feel that it is part of an errant 5 digit hubbed onto a master die that was used as a working die, while others feel that it is a coincidental series of die scratches/gouges. There is one more twist that could explain the mark and that is an errant 5 digit punched into a master die that was later abraded and used as a working die.

Either way, it is a neat find and worth of being called a collectible error coin.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:39 am Reply with quote

I think my explanation makes more sense, look at all the erratically placed mint marks for this date. It is good to know I finally found something though, especially when there were 2 in the roll!!!








Edited- went back and there was only 2, will have to go back through the roll.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:44 am Reply with quote

Most likely they are tooling marks...that's the opinion I am sticking with on these until proven otherwise. It doesn't match a 5, and it doesn't match a mintmark.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:19 pm Reply with quote

Most of the apparent markings fall right into the die flow of the coin. Usually that is an indication that its not a variety. If it were a variety it would have been making the mark in the fields since coin 1. They seem to exist on later die state coins. So I view it as die flow.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:23 pm Reply with quote

When I get a minute I will post an image of a 56 that I noticed had odd markings that you guys could shed some light on. Thats if chrsb doesn't mind me barging in on his post Wink

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:15 pm Reply with quote

As mentioned the coin is double die obv die-001.

Nice find! Very Happy

I don't think there's one here on the site but here's the Coneca listing for it.

http://www.conecaonline.org/content/lincolndoubleddies19561958.html#_1956-D

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:05 pm Reply with quote

Trying to mentally match what would be in that area, left over from a clash. It does match the inner part of the wheat head. Nice work on that MM!

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:06 pm Reply with quote

I agree Dick that is nice work. Here is the 56 I have and I was wondering what happened to the fields around the date and liberty. Couldn't capture the image well enough but in hand it looks like it was pressed more than once.
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It looks to me like a REALLY worn out die on its last legs or there was a bunch of grease or something, daggit add to the thread all you want we are all here to learn!

I us paintshop pro (its up to XI or something like that) most of the time, am still learning how to use photoshop, I find they both have the same functions except paintshop is a lot cheaper and has been easier to learn.


I will put the 56-D away as a keeper and see what happens to its listing. Thanks for the help guys, I have a few more to put up!
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I have three of those babies pictured at the beginning. Not sure why, but they look pretty cool.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:42 pm Reply with quote

Sandra, I would say about the "roughness around the date, and Liberty, is the result of th abraision to remove the damage from the clash. I checked, again, and yes the area in question is directly involved in the clash.
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