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chrsbMember
Posts: 28 Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: Michigan, edge of Hell
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 9:27 pm |
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Check out this interesting gouge, at first I was thinking how did that get up there
It does look like a RPM at first, especially with all the different ones for this date. It is the same size of a "D" and it almost looks like those are serifs.
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chrsbMember
Posts: 28 Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: Michigan, edge of Hell
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:46 am |
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I did a little photoshopping and came up with this-
It does fit perfect. The more I think about it though, I think I remember reading an article about one of these which was disproved but am not sure which date.
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Bob PSite Admin
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:31 am |
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This is a well known die. The difference between your interpretation, and the known one, is that previously, it was thought this anomaly was a re-punched 5 of the date...not a misplaced mintmark. There are many articles about this. I will see if I can locate a few and leave the links for you.
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wavysteps2003Expert Member
Posts: 1344 Joined: 25 Feb 2005
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:34 am |
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Actually this is classified as a doubled die, CONECA 1-O-VII, although there is some controversy surrounding it. Classed as a modified hub doubling, some feel that it is part of an errant 5 digit hubbed onto a master die that was used as a working die, while others feel that it is a coincidental series of die scratches/gouges. There is one more twist that could explain the mark and that is an errant 5 digit punched into a master die that was later abraded and used as a working die.
Either way, it is a neat find and worth of being called a collectible error coin.
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chrsbMember
Posts: 28 Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: Michigan, edge of Hell
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:39 am |
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I think my explanation makes more sense, look at all the erratically placed mint marks for this date. It is good to know I finally found something though, especially when there were 2 in the roll!!!
Edited- went back and there was only 2, will have to go back through the roll.
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coppercoinsSite Admin
Posts: 2809 Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Location: Springfield, Missouri.
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 9:44 am |
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Most likely they are tooling marks...that's the opinion I am sticking with on these until proven otherwise. It doesn't match a 5, and it doesn't match a mintmark.
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coopExpert Member
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:19 pm |
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Most of the apparent markings fall right into the die flow of the coin. Usually that is an indication that its not a variety. If it were a variety it would have been making the mark in the fields since coin 1. They seem to exist on later die state coins. So I view it as die flow.
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daggitSenior Member
Posts: 560 Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:23 pm |
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When I get a minute I will post an image of a 56 that I noticed had odd markings that you guys could shed some light on. Thats if chrsb doesn't mind me barging in on his post
Last edited by daggit on Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:08 pm; edited 1 time in total
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eagamesExpert Member
Posts: 3013 Joined: 15 Nov 2005
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 3:15 pm |
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 4:05 pm |
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Trying to mentally match what would be in that area, left over from a clash. It does match the inner part of the wheat head. Nice work on that MM!
Dick
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daggitSenior Member
Posts: 560 Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:06 pm |
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I agree Dick that is nice work. Here is the 56 I have and I was wondering what happened to the fields around the date and liberty. Couldn't capture the image well enough but in hand it looks like it was pressed more than once.
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daggitSenior Member
Posts: 560 Joined: 26 Oct 2007 Location: Canada
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 7:07 pm |
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chrsbMember
Posts: 28 Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Location: Michigan, edge of Hell
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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 8:54 pm |
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It looks to me like a REALLY worn out die on its last legs or there was a bunch of grease or something, daggit add to the thread all you want we are all here to learn!
I us paintshop pro (its up to XI or something like that) most of the time, am still learning how to use photoshop, I find they both have the same functions except paintshop is a lot cheaper and has been easier to learn.
I will put the 56-D away as a keeper and see what happens to its listing. Thanks for the help guys, I have a few more to put up!
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GarryNExpert Member
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:20 pm |
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I have three of those babies pictured at the beginning. Not sure why, but they look pretty cool.
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2008 12:42 pm |
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Sandra, I would say about the "roughness around the date, and Liberty, is the result of th abraision to remove the damage from the clash. I checked, again, and yes the area in question is directly involved in the clash.
Dick
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