1963 d ddo

[nohea]

I picked up some loose change from my Mom the other day. It was stored in a stuffed animal with a pocket for many years. The latest coins were from the early 80's. I took a quick look through them and there were a handful of 1964 kennedy halves. I also came across this cent which got me excited.

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I couldn't match the markers with the ones listed here but this coin appears to have doubling under the 6 and in the loop of the 9 in addition to the middle and lower leg of the 3.

[Bob P]

There's no doubt about it. You have a nice example of 1963D-1DO-001! I don't know which die state you have, but I would assume a late MDS to LDS. Congrats on a great find.

http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1963&die_id=1963d1do001&die_state=lds

[coop]

I would assume that his may be a MDS coin or earlier. The bottom tail of the loupe disappears ealy on this die. I've never noticed a mark under the 6 before though. Try taking an image at a similar angle. The problem is that the lighting is making an area that is lighter and it makes it appear that the die wear is starting there. But I think it may just be glar in that location. So rather than a light at 12:00 on the 63 of the date, try a little bit more at 2:00. This should show if there is wear there or not. I think it may be an EDS coin, but the glare in the angle you shot the picture makes it appear like it maybe a mid/late die state. Great find! Not just a Doubled Die it is a great one to find in that die state.

[Dick]

Nice find, Nohea. Is that a gouge, to the left, or maybe a broken planchet?
Dick

[ddorpm]

Bob, not to disagree with you, and one would definitely need die markers to be sure, but from the poster's image it doesn't look like Die #1 to me.

It appears more to be like the one in my files assigned as CDDO-002, cross-referenced with CONECA registry as DDO-010/10-O-VIII with doubling on the digits "963" of the date.

[coop]

The easy answer would Yes or No. But look at the evidence of overlays/mint mark locations/separation between the devices. That tells it all.


Yes or no would have been a quick answer. But seeing why it is yeas or no is better. It trains the eye to pick up on this and why. Anyone who knows me, know I don't give the short answer without eveidence thanks for the Photos and the site's photos, we can glean something new Today.

[coop]

Billy: Have you seen this Proof DDO that is similar?
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1963P_1TO_coop_01PRa.jpg
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1963P_1TO_coop_01PRb.jpg
http://img.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1963P_1TO_coop_01PRc.jpg

[ddorpm]

Billy: Have you seen this Proof DDO that is similar?

Have not seen that one.

[Dick]

Overlays are great. They can tell a lot, but if one does not do overlays, then there os a problem, and triangulation is the solution. "Eye-balling", and calling the shot, for the most part is usually pretty close, but. When there are very similar markings, but not exact, or there are few, or none, then you have a problem. The same may be said with "Philly" coins Then the overlay is your only out. THere is where the markers are vital, to be sure what you have.
Dick

[eagames]

Good learnings!

I bet a lot of the CDDO-002 coins out there are miss-attributed as 1DO-001 die-001 coins!

[nohea]

Thank you all for taking a look. I will try to take additional pictures to better show the doubling and any possible markers.

Is this a coin I should submit to the site for inclusion in the variety listings?

[Bob P]

Feel free to disagree with me anytime folks. I was not aware that the CDDO-002 even exsisted. Thanks for the update. Now it'll go into the memory banks for future reference. It would definitely be a coin I would be interested in for inclusion onto the site. Thanks guys!

[ddorpm]

While we were sort of on the subject of Die #1, for anybody that would like to know, years ago I purchased an original shotgun OBW roll of 1963-D cents.

In that roll were the EDS 1963-D Die #1 with the bottom tail of the extra "3" showing strong. In that same OBW roll was another DDO that I have assigned in my files as CDDO-015. Below are a couple photos of it with doubling to the right on the letter "W" of WE and also showing to the right on the letters "TRU" of TRUST. I'm not 100% sure but CONECA may have this one in their registry as 12-O-V(CCW at K-7). Bob, I don't know if you have this one or not for Coppercoins. If you need to see one just let me know.

And if that was not enough, in the same OBW roll was an RPM assigned in my files as CRPM-005 with a D/D north. Bob, I believe you guys have it assigned as 1MM-004 and I think CONECA registry has it down also as RPM-004.

Out of that OBW roll a total of 5 EDS Die #1, 4 of CDDO-015 and 2 of the CRPM-005.

If you come across any OBW rolls of 63-Ds and find the Die #1 EDS you should also come across these in the same roll.

Anyway, just for your FYI ....

[coppercoins]

Bob - Didn't you and I have a point of discussion at some point in the past regarding minor 1963 DDOs that had a small point inside the 3 of the date? I don't remember all the details, but I remember for sure having the conversation about them. It might have been at my house the year you came for the summer.

[Bob P]

Chuck,
We did have that discussion, but it was not about this particular CDDO-002. I have a few examples where there is a small bit of an extra 3 in the upper loop. They are similar to our 1963D-1DO-006.



A few examples I have are stronger than this one, and a few are less apparent. The pics of Billy's coin(s)...both the CDDO-002 and CDDO-015 I am not familiar with. What I have suddenly become familiar with is the fact that there are more examples of different doubling on the 3 of the date than I had realized.

Also Chuck, it is possible that you may be mistaking the discussions we had on the 1962 cents where there is apparent doubling on the 2 of the date.



In this case also, there are varying degrees of doubling on the 2, from both pretty noticeable to almost non existent.