Strange 2006 Lincoln cent

ddorpm · Advanced Member

Here's a 2006 Lincoln cent that my file card says I first came across 03/14/06 from a circulated roll. I finally came across another one just the other day and it jogged my memory about it plus I wanted to find a dupe of it.

Is this just die gouges in the 10th and 11th Memorial bays? It is very interesting that another one protrudes at the corresponding location within the upper 11th bay as well.

So, are all of these just a strange coincidence? Thoughts?

Dick · Expert Member

Billy, that is a very interesting photo. I checked to see if there could be any possible clash remnants involved, and ther are none. So that possibility is out. The shape of the two in the top of the bays look like they "could" cone from a Kiss, but the one on the bottom of the 10th bay, iss a stickler! Where could it have come from? It doesn't conform to the side of the column. This could be very interesting!
Dick

Bob P · Site Admin

I really don't have a clue on this one. Do you mind if I download your photo and play aroud with it a bit Billy?

ddorpm · Advanced Member

Bob: Neither do I, sure. I posted it in hopes that members will be on the look out and maybe come across an earlier die state that may show more. But for now, it remains in my needs further study group.

Have a great weekend....

edited to add

Bob: I do have a question for you. I'm not sure exactly the correct terminology for what you call it, but to the southwest of the raised remnant located in the bottom of the 10th bay is what I call the "post."

Could that bottom 10th bay remnant be part of that post? Then the other remnants at the top of both bays would then be partial segments of the columns with the whole thing shifting to the northeast with a little bit of rotation.

I'm not saying it is -- just throwing it out there on the table.

Here's the same photo but I put blue arrows pointing to the shift.

Bob P · Site Admin

Hi Billy,
To answer your question about what I call the 'post', I normally refer to them as the planters or urns. I don't know what the proper terminology is for it either, but that is what I call them.
I have had a chance to play around with the pic you presented, and to be perfectly honest with you, at this point I can only call them die gouges.
I do not have overlay capabilities right now as my copy of Photoshop isn't working for some unknown reason. As soon as I get my CD back from my daughter, I will reload it and try a few overlays. However, I did spend some time on it on the computer screen.
I don't know what specific angle you photograph your coins at, but I took your photo, put it as a full screen on my computer and did measurements with a clear inch/mm ruler to see if the spacing was correct The top two marks seem to match pretty close, but we do not know what portion of the columns would be indicated by the marks. As far as the bottom mark, I couldn't find any evidence that it might be part of the planter. I would assume that if it was, there should be some sort of 'flared' shape on the mark. In addition, if it was part of the planter, there is no portion of the planter itself that is as long as the mark is without either the flare at the top or the bottom of the upper portion of the planter. So... I would tend to want to rule out the planter all together.
Another thing that bothered me is the angle and locations of the marks in the 10th bay. If you drew a straight line from the edge of the top mark to the edge of the bottom mark, they do not line up with the top edge of the column and the edge of the planter. Finally, the angle of the mark in the 11th bay does not match the ones in the 10th bay. I haven't had a lot of time to play with it, and some things could change my mind, but as of right now, I would call them die gouges.

Dick · Expert Member

I do not understand what could cause the "mark"s in the 10th, and 11th bays. there is NO clash combination, that could leave them The rear of the bays do not indicate any "polishing". The Urn, or flower pot is too far away to leave a mark, and if it could, it would be in the 9th bay. There is nothing documenting any such a "mark", having been left by this post, etc. It is possible tha the three marks wre made at the same time, by something contacting the die. IMHO.
Dick