1980 Canadian Cent...damage?

[daggit]

Hi received this in change today is it postmint damage or otherwise? Thank you.

[daggit]

Alright different date but may as well dump the image here. This is from the same handful of change. Was only looking for Lincolns in my change as usual, this is the first 2008 I've come across. I also got a 1940 in the handful.

[Dick]

Daggit, from what little I could see, it looks like "mother Nature" finally found a way inside the Canadian coinage! Loks like it took a hard cut from something, and has exposed the core, but Yellowish core? I expected lback, or greyish core. Is the material inside soft enough to scrape out a bit? I ask, because the coin as such "ain't worth a hoot", like it is. I didn't see the 2008, until I was proof-reading my post. Something sure done a number on it!
BTW, Sandra, what is a run, (from 1909-1920), of large cents worth? Give it avg condition.
Dick

[KurtS]

I find the first coin very interesting due to the amount of metal pushed around--and yet some beads were preserved inside that "cup" feature? Very unusual, because if an object struck and moved that much metal post-mint, would it result in such a clean nicely raised line? I can't quite visualize what happened here, but something tells me this happened during the strike--and note how there isn't a ridge of metal pushed outside the edge? Perhaps the collar was around the coin when this happened?
Very interesting to say the least!

[Dick]

Kurt, the thought entered my mind, that if that be the case, it is possible that the feeder arm caught the edge, and cut, or pierced the efge. Is there any indication of damage on the opposite side of the coin, Sandra?
Dick

[KurtS]

Dick,
It would be interesting to see both US and Canadian coin presses in action and understand the mechanical process. All I really know about are dies for 19 C. American coins--and IHCs in particular. So I suspect it happened during the strike, and perhaps some kind of feeder was involved? Do you think the die was damaged?

[daggit]

Hi Dick and Kurt, I don't know enough about how the minting process goes but I was also wondering why the bead is on the inner side is untouched. Dick the surface of the "cut" is smooth, in hand and looking through the loupe you can tell there is nothing to scrape. I'm still very curious about it

[daggit]

Dick I don't know enough about pricing coins, you are better off to inquire from someone with more knowledge on the subject.

[Dick]

Sandra, I still think it might be from the feeder arm. The size of the cut, and the size of the coin indicate the thickness of the arm is about jalf the coin thickness. Given that, and knowing how "nachinery does were, it could have been raised up, from maybe another planchet, that it was driven in to the rim. The only thing I know, (have read...is from the "pPlaid book". Correct name: The Error coin Encyclopaedia, Arnold Margolis NLG, and Fred Weinberg NLG, Authors. It gives a good picture of the processes in volved in the minting of coins. Over 475 pages with pgotos, and explanations of the errors, (hence the name) and the values,
"Then".
Kurt, the general shape of the end of the arm, (I believe) is like this: O (. The hole is where the planchet falls ifrom a chute-like feeder, into the hole and is moved forward to the chamber., at the same time pushing the "coin" out There the planchet "falls onto the anvil die, and is held in place by the third die, ie, the collar. When the coin is ejected from the chamber, it is "shoved out" buy the "(" portion, and into the bin, or chute. There is more to this procedure, but Not having seen the "beast", I can't tell you more precisely what does occur. In answer to your question, It would be hard to sy, as the collar "protects the rim, while in the chamber. It also is where the "reeding" is done.. So the damage would have to be after the actual strike. Yes, I would really appreciate a tour thru the mint, particularily the actual coining room.
Sabdra, I can't offer an answer about the bead, as I was not even aware that there would be a bead on the inside.
Sandra, I can't give you an answer, but i';; be able to gove an indication, safter I get them. I won two sets of coins in that are, one was 14 coins., ad the other was 8 coins. Also found three albums, '20-date, all missing the '22-'26. That will provide places for some of my "hoard"!
Dick
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[daggit]

Wow Dick did you run out of breath on that one Thanks for the interest, it is one I'll just set to the side for now, even if it's Mint damage it's quite insignificant.