CAN1965 "AT"

Dick · Expert Member

KurtS, I found this today. It was in the bunch Bryan sent:

Hard to see, but there! I got it too small, and too much "zoom". The die chip is there, but very small, that is why itis so hard to find!

Dick

KurtS · Senior Member

Ah, that must be the tip of the 5? Interesting--maybe that's the marker we've talked about! Did you also notice an overall shape difference? Comparing the the top strokes of the pointed and blunt 5s, I also noticed how the top stroke on the blunt 5 angles slightly down, while the pointed 5 stroke is more level.

I do think you have a small beads obverse there, and somewhere I may have a SB P5 to compare to yours. (Variety 1)

Dick · Expert Member

Kurt, I'll have to take your word, because I am not seeing too good these days. Been out in the sun,or something. The only thing I did want to point out is the die chip, (I think that is the case. It is in the right place, and small enough to appear to be part of the horizontal bar of the "5". there is where the angles come into play.) as far as the beads. I can't tell one from the other!@ Another reason for the need for ovrerlays! That, and some authenticated coins, (or valid photos therof), to make the determinations. Was it you, or Marc with the "ARC-SoFT) program? I also wonder if it could be rasier with it, than the Photoshop app?
Dick

KurtS · Senior Member

I'm pretty sure it's SB, and I'd like to compare mine to yours--I just have to find them in my pile of coins! Laughing

Take it easy there, I strain my eyes looking at tiny coin details too!

coop · Expert Member

I'm still trying to figure out the reference bar on the Blunt 5 means? I'm assuming the curve of the center left side of the 5? If not, I'm still in the dark... Rolling Eyes

ADDED:
I think I see now what he is pointing at. The angle on the right upper part of the 5? If not, I'm still in the dark?

Dick you can made the straight line with Photoshop. You click on the tool for lines/arrows and go to the top box on the right on the vertical tool bar and choose options and choose the size you want and doubled/single/no arrow heads.

Dick · Expert Member

oop, the small spot at the ebd of the horizontal bar of the "5", is what is making the "pointed "5", abd gives the angles indicated by PCharest in his ibdexes. I can't determibe if the beads are small. or large. Therein lies th difference in Var. 1, or Var. 4. Tge very small image is NOTt i wanted to show, altho nit can be renlarged, to see what I am trying to show.
Dick

daggit · Senior Member

Hey Dick, I think I have one of these 65 LBP5. I will take a look thru the few Canadian cents I have kept over the years. I also have a couple clipped cents and if I recall... Rolling Eyes

one is a triple clip. I will look tomorrow after work.

Dick · Expert Member

Coop that small spot is a small die chip.
Dick

Dick · Expert Member

Coop, that small spot is a small die chip.
Sandra, if you do find it, can you post a full image? It would help a lot. Thanks,
Dick

daggit · Senior Member

Dick...as per usual can't find a dang thing that I put away. I did come across the clipped cents that I have so I am putting up one image just for the heck of it. Will still look for the 65, but due to work am limited for time.

Dick · Expert Member

Hi Sandra, That cent looks like it has had a rough journey in this world! Especially since it was a bit "short", to start with. Nice photos.Take your time locating the '65, as I'll be here forever! Or at least until I am called to check some "eternal cons".
Dick

KurtS · Senior Member

Hmm...that '84 might just be clipped once, with the features on the opposing side due to lack of pressure within the planchet. I believe this is called the "Blakesley Effect".

Dick · Expert Member

Question:do the "clips referred to in varions places refer to the blank(s) and the lack of total material? That is to say if there were several punches made. and some of them "overlapped one area, which later was used, and resulted in some little "nips" where the material was missing? That is what I understand the "clips" to be.
In the case of a lack of equal resistance, as in the teo dies forming the coin from the planchet, giving equal "pressure".
In the case of a die with a piece missing, ( which would produce a CUD), being in the area of little or no resistance, obverse, or reverse, depending on the die with the missing piece.
Does this make sense?
EDIT: I had not noted the "Blakesly effect", and made the above comment, and question. Then I noticed, and read the "link". Makes a rather "redundant" question, NO?
Dick

KurtS · Senior Member

Dick,
To be honest, my comment about the "Blakesley Effect" is a guess because I'm not quite certain how the edge is raised on these 12-sided cents--it could be a different process. Confused

daggit · Senior Member

Hi, you guys got me Rolling Eyes

I don't know what is clipped on this one, what accounts for the Blakesley effect, or what part would be circ. damage. Its the only 12 sided clip that I have so I have no other to compare it to. I have three others I've located, when I get a chance I'll throw up a pic of them and if I can locate the die rotation I've got I will get you guys opinion on how many degrees rotation you think it is.