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ddorpmAdvanced Member
Posts: 101 Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 2:04 pm |
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OK Bob, I think I figured it out. You guys have been keeping all the goodies down there in Florida!
My wife and daughter were in Clearwater this week visiting the college she will be attending this fall. I had to stay home due to repairs on our garage from a recent storm we had here. I gave my wife extra funds to obtain circulated cent rolls from various banks throughout the Tampa Bay, St. Petersburg, Clearwater area.
I have finished the first $25 Brinks box that has those weird looking plastic shrink-wrap rolls. From that box came a 2004 1c Big DDR (mated with minor DDO), a specimen of the 2006 1c Doubled Earlobe/Beard CPG DDO, a 1988 1c mated with reverse of '89, and finally this 1985 1c exhibiting an extremely rotated and south RPM.
No wonder I can't find much here in SC. You guys got the stuff down there!
That's OK. With my daughter attending college in Clearwater, we will be making quite a few trips.
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Bob PSite Admin
Posts: 3482 Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Niceville, Florida
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Posted: Sun Mar 30, 2008 6:44 pm |
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That's a very cool RPM Billy. I don't think I have ever seen one with that much rotation from the 80's.
I guess you have finally figured it out as far as us Floridians hoarding all the good stuff down here One thing intrigued me though. When you listed the coins you found in that $25 box, it sounded almost exactly like what I have been finding in boxes down here (minus the RPM). A lot of tourism brings in coins from all over the US. This is the time I like going to the bank and getting boxes because of the spring breakers. They literally break into their penny jars in order to have a good time around here. We also get a good mix of P and D mint coinage in the Northwest part of Florida where I am. No where near Clearwater, but the finds still seem about the same.
Congrats to your daughter too on her future college days. Should be pretty nice in Clearwater for her.
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AgCollectorNew Member
Posts: 11 Joined: 01 Apr 2008
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 7:19 pm |
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| ddorpm wrote: |
| ...From that box came a 2004 1c Big DDR (mated with minor DDO), a specimen of the 2006 1c Doubled Earlobe/Beard CPG DDO, a 1988 1c mated with reverse of '89... |
Have you found any other 1988 cents with the reverse of 1989, i.e. RDV-006? I have had a string of luck with them (6 so far since about August) and am curious what the success rate of others is, and what other people think of this seemingly minor variety.
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GabeSenior Member
Posts: 691 Joined: 11 Jul 2003 Location: Gainesville, FL
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:28 pm |
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Very cool find Billy. Considering that I live in Miami, I barely search through rolls anymore. I will start tomorrow!
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griptionAdvanced Member
Posts: 159 Joined: 27 May 2006
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Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:55 pm |
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i've never heard of an '85 D/D.. so i never look for it.. but there's one right there. do you guys look at every single coin under a loupe? is that how you found this?
nice find, i like it a lot..
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coopExpert Member
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:28 am |
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RPMs can be found on U.S. coins till 1989. In 1990 they started adding it to the dies as part of the designs. Removed the hope of RPMs as they are no long hand punched.
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KurtSSenior Member
Posts: 875 Joined: 15 Feb 2008
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 2:52 pm |
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That's a pretty dramatic RPM too! I would think that being near the end of any Lincoln RPMs, this will generate some good collector interest.
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 3:22 pm |
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I have looked for RPM's long vefore looking for varieties, but never expected to see one that far off target! That one is nice! I think I'll go back and check what I have, I don't have that many, so the search will be short! Se la Vie!
Dick
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doubledguyMember
Posts: 36 Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 4:30 pm |
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Billy,
Any chance that I could get a look at that 1985-D RPM, the 2006 1c DDO, and the 1988 with the 1989 reverse? I need to get photos of all three.
Congratulations on the nice finds.
I have got to move south. Now if I could just convince my wife!!!
John
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ddorpmAdvanced Member
Posts: 101 Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:03 pm |
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"Have you found any other 1988 cents with the reverse of 1989, i.e. RDV-006?"
AgCollector: That's the only one so far I have come across.
"Congratulations on the nice finds."
Thanks John. I must say the 1988 with reverse of '89 looks like a dog. Actually, the obverse is half-way decent and exhibits plenty of prominent die markers to photograph/document for the die pairing. But the reverse is road kill, however, one has to take what one can get from circulation so I'm certainly not complaining. Besides, the price is right.
The right photo is of the "FG" designer's initials of the actual coin I came across. Left photo is for comparison to a normal "FG" reverse for a 1988 Lincoln cent. John, the other coins you mention I sent to another person who wanted to see them. If you still would like to see the '88 with '89 reverse just let me know and I will get it in the mail to you.
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doubledguyMember
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:17 pm |
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Billy,
I'd love to see it to get some shots of the markers. Thanks!!!
John
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ddorpmAdvanced Member
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:44 pm |
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John: Will be in tomorrows mail to you.
AgCollector: You briefly mentioned this as being a "seemingly minor variety."
The following is my opinion and observations:
I do not consider the 1988 1c mated with reverse of '89 a minor type variety. I believe it to be a very significant variety. It can be compared to the 1992 P and D-Mint so-called "Close AM" type varieties. Most collectors, and I don't have any problem with this, prefer to call those "Close AM" reverse for simplification. Yes, even PCGS annotates with "Close AM" on the holder insert. However, I consider them to be 1992 P or D-Mint mated with reverse of '93. Like the 1992 P and D-Mint varieties, this 1988 1c mated with reverse of '89 happened the same way at the end of the production year during switch over.
It is my understanding these '88 with '89 reverse are, at least so far, extremely rare with only just a few known/documented. I'm not attempting to hype-up these '88 with '89 reverses to be as valuable as the 1992-D variety that recently brought a hammer bid on an eBay auction for over $1,600 -- but, I do feel the '88 with '89 reverse(s) are not being fully recognized for what they really are.
Anyway -- that's my opinion about them.
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AgCollectorNew Member
Posts: 11 Joined: 01 Apr 2008
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 2:53 pm |
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| ddorpm wrote: |
John: Will be in tomorrows mail to you.
AgCollector: You briefly mentioned this as being a "seemingly minor variety."
The following is my opinion and observations:
I do not consider the 1988 1c mated with reverse of '89 a minor type variety. I believe it to be a very significant variety. It can be compared to the 1992 P and D-Mint so-called "Close AM" type varieties. Most collectors, and I don't have any problem with this, prefer to call those "Close AM" reverse for simplification. Yes, even PCGS annotates with "Close AM" on the holder insert. However, I consider them to be 1992 P or D-Mint mated with reverse of '93. Like the 1992 P and D-Mint varieties, this 1988 1c mated with reverse of '89 happened the same way at the end of the production year during switch over.
It is my understanding these '88 with '89 reverse are, at least so far, extremely rare with only just a few known/documented. I'm not attempting to hype-up these '88 with '89 reverses to be as valuable as the 1992-D variety that recently brought a hammer bid on an eBay auction for over $1,600 -- but, I do feel the '88 with '89 reverse(s) are not being fully recognized for what they really are.
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Hi ddorpm,
Thanks for your input- I fully understand what you are saying and how the 1988 transitional die varieties are exactly analogous to the 1992 "close AMs". I only consider them "seemingly minor" in the sense that few people seem to know and / or care about them... but to me they're fascinating!
I've posed pictures of the ones I've found in a new thread in this section.
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doubledguyMember
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Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:27 pm |
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Thanks Billy,
I'll be looking forward to seeing it!
John
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