Is there such a coin? 1958/7

[Rhubarb]

I have alway's understood that the galvano produced the number's for each year. The MM was added at the Mint. I've added the auction that is in question.

Rhubarb

http://cgi.ebay.com/Breen-2225-1958-7-Gem-BU-Lincoln-Wheat-Cent-Scarce_W0QQitemZ260238412056QQihZ016QQcategoryZ524QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[Bob P]

Many attributers differ on whether or not this is an actual overdate. In my opinion, it is not, and it certainly is not scarce by any means. My take on it is that the 8 has master die doubling, and the so called bar segments are nothing more than gouges/scratches. Of course everyone is entitled to their point of view.

[Rhubarb]

Thank you Bob. I didn't think of the Master Doubling but I thought they were either gouges or chip's around the date.

Thank's

Rhubarb

[wavysteps2003]

Die gouge, die gouge, die gouge. This is not an underlying 7 with an 8 on top. Since it has been proven that the numbers were actually engraved into the master die, the only way for this to remotely have happened is if the working die was first hubbed with a 1957 working hub and then with a 1958 working hub. Since this is not the obvious case, die gouge, die gouge, die gouge.

BJ Neff

[Bob P]

So...what do ya think BJ? Die gouge

To those who wonder about the master die doubling...look at the top left portion of the 8. The rounded portion that the top arrow points to in the auction pic is part of it. For those of you who have Chuck's book, he mentions it in there. The center bar is the gouge. You can find this master die doubling on many different dies, some with, and some without the center gouge(s).

[GarryN]

I had heard that the wishful thinking surrounding the 1958/7 was fueled by the fact that the Flying Eagle series has an 1858/7.

I have always wondered though, how many of the alleged overdates in the Morgan series such as all the 1880 varieties might actually be die gouges. Does anyone have a thought to share on that? I would agree some are clearly 8/7 varieties. I have a few of those. But others seem to be argueable.

[Bob P]

I would say that the possibilities of an over date on Morgan Dollars...or any earlier coinage is pretty much a given. I am aware of some of the ones you mention Garry (the 8/7 varieties) and although some of them look quite questionable, there is precedent which can not be said for the Lincoln Cent series. I would have thought by now that if any of the Morgan 8/7 varieties were that questionable, then it should have been addressed by now and either proven or debunked. There is always the possibility that they could be gouges of some sort, and that some day down the road, they will be proven as such.