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Copper_CrazyMember
Posts: 78 Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Location: Sarasota, FL
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:14 pm |
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Mon Mar 05, 2007 7:15 pm |
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thank you, Steven, I didn't know if it was you, or (Ithink his name is Steve), Copper-Crazy. Any way I'll check it out.
A bit later: I checked it out, anbd was I surprised! That place has everything I'm looking for!
Dick
_________________ " Deja Moo: The feeling that you've heard this bull before".
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StevenExpert Member
Posts: 1298 Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: S/E Missouri
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 6:04 am |
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Copper_CrazyMember
Posts: 78 Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Location: Sarasota, FL
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 12:39 pm |
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Steven,
There is no attribution guide for the 1890's that I know of (there may be a 1st edition out there somewhere but I can't tell you more). Rick Snow is just finishing the Attribution Guide 1870-1889 and it is going to press soon. I have an 1892 with a boldly MPD that I can't find eaither. All I can suggest that you check the following links:
http://www.fly-inclub.org/talk/index.php
http://www.noblecoins.org/ihfevar.html
Steve
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JRoccoVeteran Member
Posts: 418 Joined: 08 Oct 2004
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 8:18 pm |
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I hope I don't sound too ignorant with this question, but I am not an Indian Head guy (yet at least). Were these numbers in the date hand punched individually into the dies like earlier 19th century coinage? Or was the entire date punched as a single block of #'s? In other words for this to be a re-punched date as described the entire date (4 #'s) would have had to be punched as a single punch including all 4 numbers.
Take these CBH's for example- each number, letter, star etc was hand punched (sometimes with large #'s/different #'s etc)and this is what led to wild variations or varieties of everything-take these 2 examples of the same year same denomination coin. Am I making sense with this question?
_________________ John
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Copper_CrazyMember
Posts: 78 Joined: 29 Jan 2007 Location: Sarasota, FL
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Posted: Sat Mar 10, 2007 9:31 pm |
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John, Don't hold me to this but, yes every digit was individually punched on the date until 1909, when a full date punch was used. For the most part, all digit styles are standardized in the series (the master die had everything else on it), so there aren't digit varieties except for the closed and open 3's for 1873. Changes in the master die produced things like the 1860 pointed bust and 1864 L. Hope this helps. Steve
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coopExpert Member
Posts: 3402 Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sun Mar 11, 2007 10:46 am |
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The @'s look like different punches were used. The distance on the location from the rim and bust look totally different. Nice finds and great looking coins from what I can see. Nice to see some early coins for a change.
_________________ Richard S. Cooper
You may be only one person in the world, but you may also be the world to one person.
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KurtSSenior Member
Posts: 875 Joined: 15 Feb 2008
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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2008 12:07 pm |
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I just happened to drop by this post and saw the 1890 photo above. Definitely a RPD, and if I would hazard a guess I'd say Snow-2 1890/1890(se). I also don't have the attribution guide for this year, but I think I see a second 0, and it seems to agree with the listing here
Regarding punches for IHCs, I think a logotype/gang punch was used for all four digits, which involved a screw press imprinting the die with the date--no individual handwork there, although digit positions relative to each other will differ. In 1909, the date was added to the hub, which is why it's always in the same position on 1909 IHCs. --I'm just going by Rick Snow's notes here.
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