another 2008 question

aballein · Veteran Member

so i just found this one and yes...the pictures are horrid but its the best i can do until i figure this camera out so i pointed it out with a red arrow and you will have to use your imagination a little but i ASSURE you its there, it looks like a small squarish lighter colored area under the ear, doesnt show up very good at all but its there plain as day ..a die clash under the ear, i guess it would be part of a planter maybe, i cant seem to find the overlay thats on the site and i didnt think it would be possible with the single squeeze method to produce clashes anymore, but yet again i really dont know enough about the process to be making assumptions.

Bob P · Site Admin

Although I can't quite see it on your photo, your description sure does indicate a die clash, and the area under the ear is a place where the clash can be seen. Normally, the 'squarish' anomaly is the clashed area of a memorial bay.

coop · Expert Member

I guess we are learning that die clashes don't always fall on dead center. But it gives an idea where it could hit. Looks like a clash mark from what I can see. They have to be stronger to bring anything extra for them. I save them all for educational purposes.

aballein · Veteran Member

thanks for the overlay coop, it is indeed a column clashed, and you are right not all clashes are "on center" if you will. I just found one that has at least the RTY clashed on the reverse and it is on a steep angle running SW to NE. IF i can get a picture i will post it. I guess my other question is how common are die clashes on single squeeze cents, it would seem to me that they would be fairly uncommon considering the process. And for the record i dont care about premium on my coins, ive come to terms with just finding cool worthless lincolns.

coop · Expert Member

Single squeezing refers to the way the hub makes the die. This is not a die issue, but a striking issue that the dies suffer when the dies are slammed close without a planchet in between them. they happen many times. This the die scratches to cover the clash marks. But a few coins get out before the operator can stop the machine. So the strong the clash the more valuable they will be. The more minor they are the less they will be worth. It is the luck of the draw on which coins you get. But in an ODW roll, you may find several from the same clashed dies.

aballein · Veteran Member

sheesh dont i feel like an idiot, i thought they were striking the coins with a single squeeze...i really need to read more books and articles on the minting process i guess. Embarassed

Does anyone have or have seen a clash showing at least a partial date on the reverse...Im addicted to clashes now....guess its better than drugs..kinda

Rhubarb · Senior Member

[quote="aballein"]sheesh dont i feel like an idiot, i thought they were striking the coins with a single squeeze...i really need to read more books and articles on the minting process i guess. Embarassed

Don't feel like that. Very Happy

There isn't one person here that hasn't gone thru what your going thru. Learning is a process as everyone will agree.

David

Dick · Expert Member

Yes, it takes time, lots of it, and then not everyone gets it down pat. Look at my numbers, and I'm still a newbie! I love the die clashes, because they come in so many different "flavors"!
Dick

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

Due to the position of the date on the Lincoln cent, it would be hard for it to form a clash, however, that is not the case with LIBERTY. While the Y is the most commonly seen letter clash, I have seen the RT as well on heavier clashes.

The very rare form is the counter die clash, where the design element is in the correct attitude (not mirrored). This is where a clash is transfered to a piece of metal (not a planchet) that stays in the striking chamber. The clash is then transfered from the piece of metal back onto the die. When a planchet is struck it will have this new impression of the design element, in the correct attitude, however, out of position.

This was seen on two Lincoln cents from 1983. On has a triple "IN GOD" just below the regular "IN GOD" and the other has some of the letters from LIBERTY above the date.

BJ Neff