1971 Lincoln Double, Lincoln Reverse?

[gm99]

I have a 1971 Lincoln Penny with 2 Abe Lincoln or Al Booth

[eagames]

If the background Abe is bigger it might be from die wear.
(that's what I thought from the pic)

If both Abes are the same size but the back one is moved then it could be a doubled die.

[gm99]

The back Lincoln is higher up than the front one. You can see his head and shoulder lines in the back . The photo is not that good still working on that. I will send new ones after I master that. Thanks

[CENTS]

I found a 1974p just like this, is it a DDR or just die distortion?

[Bob P]

Patrick,
It seems that these may all be die deterioration. I myself found a 1970 example that was almost the same thing. I sent pics to other experts, and they all seem to think along the same lines. My copy also has a doubled column line. Here is the pic:

[Dick]

Bob, in the first photo, in the area of the knees, it looks like it might be a slight shift, N/S, which would correspond with the doubled, (apparent) image. Could the die shift have been vertical with respect to the bay/columns, as opposed to the (normally), lateral shift?If this don't make sense, not to worry. That is the dtory of my life.
Dick

[Bob P]

Dick, there is always the possibility that the shift would be vertical rather than horizontal. In a class 4 (offset hub) doubled die, (which normally affects the center of the coin) the shift is in one direction on all the doubled design elements, and of the same severity. That direction can be any at all.
This particular coin shows that doubling only in a small area where I would expect to see a larger area encompassed based on the strength of the separation.
Until I can find out anything more, or see this same anomaly on an EDS coin, I will have to agree with the other experts that this is die deterioration.

[Dick]

Thanks, Bob. I have seen that same anomily on different coins, and when I saw the comments, It brought to mind, that possibility. Due to the direction that is involved, I figured there would be very little apparent doubling visible. I will sit on it until the "experts", like you said, make some comments, and/or confirmation.
Dick

[eagames]

I think it's deterioration, it made Abe bigger in all directions but since the columns hide the sides it looks like he moved up but it's an illusion. The same coins that I see with that look show deterioration on the lettering goint towards the rims.

Just my opinion.

[coop]

The copper planchet coins did have the problem die wear. The zincolns with the single squeeze has the problem that the center shows.