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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:28 pm Reply with quote

Could that be a date in there, maybe a 907?
(2 circles would be the 07 and 9 below 9)

Is there a listed one like this? Confused




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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:41 pm Reply with quote

This is a nice MPD and RPD (lower loop of 9). I think it matches Snow-14 in my book: 9/9 (n), 3 digits in denticles. The top of the 7 in the denticles is pretty distinctive.
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:51 pm Reply with quote

Thanks Kurt!

I didn't notice that extra section in the 9 Laughing

Yes, the top of the 7 was what I first noticed then I saw the other curves that must be the top of the 90.



Further proof that if you have a few IHCs there's probably some RPDs in the bunch.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 11:58 pm Reply with quote

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if you have a few IHCs there's probably some RPDs in the bunch.

--especially for 1907! Very Happy Snow lists 48 different varieties for that year. Yours is one of the better ones for 1907.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:30 am Reply with quote

Kurt, maybe you can explain something to me. I was going thru the LAST roll of IHC from this guy, and On several of them, I nioticed the "ONE CENT has very pronio=ounced doubling, as in a very badly worn diee, however this is very shatp, and pronounced. Others of the same date, as well as a couple other dates did not show this 'doubling. Is there a reason? I can post a picture, if it warrants.
Thanks,
Here are four that show what I mean. I'll try to date each one.
1901
1906
1905
1903.
what do you think? I just re-checked 1901, 1903. Thet are two different coins.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:04 am Reply with quote

KurtS wrote:
Snow lists 48 different varieties for that year. Yours is one of the better ones for 1907.


i've heard there are 47 different die pairings, and i read about some guy that tried to put a complete set of them together but had a hell of a time with at least one of them.

i've never found a site/book that breaks them all down though, so i dont even check em... but i would Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 3:58 pm Reply with quote

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I noticed the "ONE CENT has very pronounced doubling, as in a very badly worn die, however this is very shatp, and pronounced. Others of the same date, as well as a couple other dates did not show this 'dpobling. Is there a reason?

Hi Dick, I seem to miss these posts, my apologies. Very Happy
What dates are these IHCs? Through 1886 "Longacre doubling" was common around the devices, appearing as an irregular outline around the legends and sometimes even the portrait. You'll never see these marks around the date, which was punched after working dies were hubbed. Post a pic and I'll give my opinion. Very Happy

Gripton, in Rick Snow's attribution guide for 1907, he estimates from 216-270 obverse dies were used. I'm not sure how that translates to actual die pairs. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:37 pm Reply with quote

That's why we should check them!

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he estimates from 216-270 obverse dies were used


Since 48 different varieties are listed and maybe only about 270 obv dies were used you should find a variety if you look at 5 or 6 of them Wink

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 6:11 pm Reply with quote

Kurt, Hi again! The dates involved are post 1900. I noted that on some of the first roll of IHC that I bought, and was gouing to post one, to see if it was MD, due to the appearance, but then I saw several in this roll, and some asre very distinct, so I thoughtI would ask. I'll edit this post later with some of the more clear ones. chiow-time right now!
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 9:04 pm Reply with quote

I think I have seen what Dick is talking about too. A nice flat doubling mostly around the ONE CENT lettering. I'm anxious to see a pic if you could Dick.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:49 pm Reply with quote

MD

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:49 pm Reply with quote

pictures posted.
I was also checking the site:http://www.indiancent.com/
to see what they have, but there is a lot of images listed, but not too many have pgoto data to show. I think they have the right idea, but are way behind in the availability.
BTW the photos are up above.
Dick what???
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:35 pm Reply with quote

Dick,
Thanks for those photos! Looking at these outlines around ONE CENT, I note how these lines either connect opposing serifs or round out the square serif junctions (such as the top of N). Where these outlines protrude equally on two sides of a device, I would think they're Longacre Outlines, versus MD or a DDR. There are a couple known DDRs from 1900 onward, and the best markers are doubling in oak leaf veins. --Just a few thoughts.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:52 pm Reply with quote

Kurt, thanks for the info. I wondered if the "Longacre" type douibling was ciontinued after, I can't recall the date, and I have one coin that was one of the two types for the year. I think that might have been what threw me off, thinking it was no longer used.
I knew they were NOT MD's MD's don't go all around the device.
Apparently it still is. Any newbies, make a note to that effect. It will save you some time, and questions. Wink
Do you recall the dates of thaose DDR's? I am solid from '87 to '93. and '95 to '08.
I am looking for rolls of IHC. I won't be using any more of those I have gotten from the source where I get my wheats. This roll was total dupes, and culls. Not worth the price/roll. 13 rolls to go thru, now, three 'teen's, and 10 mixed.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:15 am Reply with quote

Dick,
I was surprised too, because I thought "Longacre outlines" were removed after 1886, but those changes may pertain more to the obverse? Confused I'll keep my eyes open and see if that seems true.

As for IHC DDRs, looking at my 1900-09 book, I see listings for 1900, 03, 05, 06, and 07. Oddly, the only known DDOs for this period are in 1909.
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