Mexico 1 Centavo 1927/7
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KurtSSenior Member
Posts: 875 Joined: 15 Feb 2008
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:26 pm |
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Here is something I found at a local show.
At first, I thought this was the 1927/6 due to some similarities.
But after I took a closer look, there are significant differences.
There is a mark that parallels the top stroke of the 7, and what is especially interesting is how a second tail of the 7 is protruding below. Since I don't see signs of doubling on the other digits or devices, I wonder if just one digit was mispunched, then mostly removed and punched again? [umm] I'm really not sure here how this was made, but it sure is interesting!
For comparison, detail of the 1927/6
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:58 pm |
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Hi, Kurt! Just came back to this unit. Been reading my new CDN Coin Basics. It has about all the known varieties, errors,,etc, known. 250 pages. New order of listing values: L to R, SP, P, and PL, then reducing scale of values. Makes it easire to evaluate my CDN coins.
Back to your very nice centavo. One doesn't fiond one in yhat condition, real often. I can't say for sure about the "7", weather it is RPD, or something else. 99% of those I have found are G-4 to AU-55. Higher denominations, have a better avg grade, generally.I do have one, or two, that are comparable, but not sure of the dates. I could look, if interested, for comparison if the "7"s are present.
Dick
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KurtSSenior Member
Posts: 875 Joined: 15 Feb 2008
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:09 pm |
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Dick, thanks for your thoughts on this one.
And yes--by all means check your 1927 for the 6 overdate.
There is also a 1924/3 that appears to be more scarce.
In case you're curious, here's a full-size pic of the "27"
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:27 pm |
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Kurt, I'll follow up on this one tomorrow,and let you know.
Later:
Kurt I went thru all the Mexican , and only ONE one centavo, andit is 1948! So much for that!
Dick
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 10:34 pm |
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I couldn't find any info re the possibility of two different styles of "7", a straight one, with a blunt tail, and a curved one, with a pointed tail.. I have been goiung thru the list of coins, and highlighting the ones to look out for. That is one of the diagnostics for the 1907 fifty centavos. Both were used.
Dick
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coopExpert Member
Posts: 3402 Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2009 11:11 pm |
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I guess my eyes found something else more interesting to me. Note the detail on the Eagle and the Snake. Very nice coin. Too bad the die crack on the left side the 1C is distracting. Probably the best devices I've seen on coins from that country. Nice find.
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 1:31 pm |
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Coop, I believe that is the type eagle that was used on the "Republica Mexicana"", in spite of the date. When the "reform" occured around 1909, the coins, the one peso, was known as " Peso Porfiriano". Due to the president, Porfirio Diaz. They used that eagle until1949. During thethe revolution there were many changes, not to mention that during, many states minted their own currency. I used to have some ten pesos bills from the state of Sinaloa, and also Sonora. There were at one time 11 mints in operation, if memory servesme.
I spotted three cracks on the reverse: K9:30, K7:30, and K4:30.
That monogrammed number was used until 1935 , on the smaller denominations, 1, 2, 5 centavos. Thensilver was used for the rest of the coinage. The most popular were "Peso del Sol", because of the Suns rays. They had the "Liberty cap". My First date./type collection had all the dates, except keys, as well as a lot of the older coinage from back to the Colonial times. There have been times I asked myself, why did I return to the US? Seems like every time I managed to gather a sizable collection, "back to the US, and the collection was sold to "feed the kids", while I found a job!
Dick
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KurtSSenior Member
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 2:00 pm |
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| I couldn't find any info re the possibility of two different styles of "7", a straight one, with a blunt tail, and a curved one, with a pointed tail. |
Judging from RPDs I've seen on IHCs, this could just as easily be the same punch in a different position after partially polishing away the low digit. On IHCs, what remains after polishing often looks much thinner--although I'm not sure how that exactly applies to this case. Were dates punched independently of hubbing in 1927? I wonder because there is a 1927/6 and a 1924/3.
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Sun Jan 25, 2009 3:22 pm |
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Kurt, I wouild say the possibility exists, and the likelyhood is very possible, that this is the case. There are many cases, (I have read of, but cannot quote), of this happening, not only IHC, but all coinages, used in the past. the very technique involved would indicate that fact. Machines are only as good as the modern technology will allow, and we still have a lot to learn, in that respect! That is one of the reasons there will always be something for the collectors, and by the same token, collectors to collect it. Verty few countries have held to the same standards of QC, as the US, and that alone makes for plenty to collect.
Speaking of collect; have you seen, or better yet, gotten any new cents? My DIL, is keeping her eye open for any thet come out, where she works. She will get ma a few rolls, when they do.
Dick
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