Question about 56 D and D

[JRocco]

I just pulled another nice 56 D and D last night looking thru a pile of cents and it made me curious. This is the 008 D and D variety of which I have pulled a few from searches, but does anyone have any experience finding the more elusive 018 as described by CONECA? I believe it's PUP is the location of the primary MM. Does anyone have a picture to compare to this 008? Thanks in advance, here are a couple of pics of the 008 I just pulled for comparison.
http://forums.collectors.com/include/uploadbox/viewfile.cfm?files=1956danddpan%2Ejpg http://forums.collectors.com/include/uploadbox/viewfile.cfm?files=1956ddpan1%2Ejpg

[coop]

John: There is a listing on the site with one marker. A die Crack on the lower bust. But the image Looks like the right placement.
http://www.coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1956&die_id=1956d1mm008&die_state=lds
If you could make the mintmark & date larger, I could do an overlay.
Here is a larger image of 008.
http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1956D_1MM_008_LDS.jpg
I do have a 1956D-WRPM-018 image on my image host, but it is very hard to make out the lower D.
http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1956Dwrpm_018.jpg
Another image with a location of the D-D South. But to me it is pretty minor. I don't know how someone spotted it the first time.
http://image.inkfrog.com/pix/coop49/1956Dwrpm_018b.jpg
Hope this helps.

[JRocco]

Thanks for the reply coop. Here is a better image of the 008 (a different coin I recently found, but same variety). I wasn't able to hunt down an image of the 018. Thanks for the image you posted-I do see the second D, closer to the primary than in the 008. Thanks again coop.
http://forums.collectors.com/include/uploadbox/viewfile.cfm?files=56DandD%2Ejpg

[coop]

John: Looks like a dead on match. Nice find!

I re-searched a roll of coins that I had found a super doubled die. But there were only three of them in the rolls. I overlooked one because I thought it was Machine damaged. I did somemore searching on them and this is what I found:

What I thought was machine doubling was a doubled die not just on one letter, but also on LIBERTY. Didn't see that one last time. Found a few of this die also. Still unlisted, but glad I found them. Something I missed the first time around.

[coppercoins]

Coop - your 1968 is definitely a doubled die and a nice find.

Your 56D doesn't look like the second separated D, though. I have one that's in lower grade, and the vertical bar is very obvious through a low power loupe. I don't have it handy or I'd photograph it.

[Danester]

Just this week I received in the mail a nice 1956-D/D 1MM-008 NGC-64 Red that I had purchased off eBay. When I first looked at the coin with x7 Loupe I could not see the die crack on Abe's lower suit jacket. However, with a 16x I could only just see beginnings of that identifying die crack.

I was not going to bring this up because I thought it might be too much of a bombshell and required more research on my part (find another example). But here goes - I have 1909-S VDB PCGS-64 RB that has what looks to be the vestiges of a far re-punched "S" to the NE. The coin is PQ because it is a well persevered early die state example. My suspicions are if you don't have a high grade early die state example, you will not see the far punched "S". It is only the top half of the "S" that is visible, but the serif matches the exiting mintmark like a glove.

We need our army to fan out at these coin shows and checkout out high grade 1909-S VDB's and see if we can't find another. I'll try my best to merge the microscope and the digital camera I have, and come up with an image over the holidays. I keep telling myself that this is only some random "toning or surface tricks" like the Virgin Mary on a piece of pizza, but it does look like an "S".

[coop]

Chuck: I found about 35 of them while searching 4 rolls. It seemed high at the time. So Bob mentioned that there were master die doubling that year. So I went back and rechecked to see if they had the same markers. There were several different markers, so I concluded they were master die doubling. But while searching I found 3 more 1968P-1DO-001. So I've got four extras of this die. Another year to add to the list of master die doubling alond with 1972. When you find a bunch of the same thing, I guess a flag should go off in our brains. The 001, 3 have the same markers as one the site and two earlier ones with out the same markers. Both MDS, just earlier than the ones on the site. I guess it is possible to see different die wear from the same batch of coin. Never new that before. I put them back into the rolls to find again another day.

[GarryN]

Here is my 1909 S VDB MS62. Unfortunately I only have one

http://home.comcast.net/~g.naples/wsb/html/view.cgi-home.html-.html

If you click on the photo, you get a larger version. I dont see a repunch to the NE on this one. But am I seeing things, or is there a notch on the on the southwest serif? Probably. Also, I'm sure we all know there were four mint mark positions used on that cent, so I assume that the RPM would appear only on one of the four? And when you say "Far punched" are you saying the mint mark is totally detached like the '56-D 008?

[Danester]

Well we are in luck here having the same obverse die. I have taken your image and put arrows on it to indicate the area of intrest. I been asking on a couple posts here how insert images - but no instructions, so I will email it to you and you can post it.

If youn take your coin and "tilt-play" with the light. I think you might be suprised to see what I am seeing.

I e-mailed the image to Coop.

[coppercoins]

Sorry, Dane, I didn't get to your question about images before now.

Your images would have to be uploaded to a host server before you could post them here. Image hosting services are plentiful and free, but many have limitations. I have never used them so I cannot give much in the way of recommendations or instructions.

After uploading your images to a host, you can come here, click to post a message, then click the "img" button to place the beginning of an image tag, type (or paste) in the address of your image, then click the "img" button again to end the image tag. This places the image in your message.

To place a link to an image that appears as clickable text in your message, simply type or paste the address including the http part into your message and the program here will recognize it as a web address and highlight it for you.

Chuck

[Danester]

OK, I think I now know how to post an image. This is Garry's 1909-S VBD MS-62. I have indicated where the vestige of the "S" apprears on my MS-64 (same obv. die).



It becomes very clear when you hit the correct light and tilt of the coin. I can kind of see above, but it can be made more visible. This could be a "blockbuster" !

The Danester

[coop]

Danester: I edited the image a little, but not really sure what we are seeing.

[JRocco]

Hi Danester. This is the best part of these boards- the interaction and learning from each other. Try to get a pic from a good angle to try to show your coin better. I want to see it. From the MS 62 I see posted, I think what I am seeing are just oportunistic flow lines, But---lets see you coin.

[Danester]

I am just about to do that. Go to the new thread about the 1909-S VDB far NE Vestige of "S" under New Finds - Die Varieties.

The Danester