1941 1DO-006

[Steven]

I searched a few thousand way too fast. Slowed down a bit, looked at them again and started finding again.

Steven

[Bob P]

That's a pretty difficult one to find Steven. A lot have been overlooked, and because the lighting has to be correct in order for it to show up properly, I'll bet a lot more will be overlooked in the future. Congrats on a very tough find!

[rollmeupabe]

Steven,

I have searched and searched and searched for that one but so far I have not had any luck. I have found several of the other 1941 DDOs and DDRs. Great find.

John

[wavysteps2003]

Actually, that is 1941, 1C, DDO-005 in CONECA listing or FS-018.3.

Great find.

WAVYSTEPS2003

[Steven]

Couldn't even photograph it straight on, had to tilt it to get it to show. The same way I noticed it by tilting it back and forth.

Thanks,
Steven

[Bob P]

BJ...
All that cross reference information is already on the site. We prefer to talk about it here as 1941P-1DO-006..

[wavysteps2003]

Definitely my mistake - for some reason when I looked on site, I did not see it for I thought that the numbers stopped at 1941P-1DO-004 . Now just give me a red tipped cane and I might find my way around.

WAVYSTEPS2003

[Bob P]

BJ.....I don't sweat the small stuff. If you thought it stopped at 004, you must have been really surprised to see that we are up to 009
When I finally get to adding the 15 or so 'Full T over Broken T' dies I have...1941 will be one of the most prolific years for doubled dies.

STAY COOL!!!

[eagames]

I recently found 3 41P DDOs in a put together (non original) roll. Goes to show what a nice year that is to search

One of them is 1DO-007 (coneca die 4)

Another was similar on LIBERTY to that but has nicer doubling on the 9 with nice sep lines similar to the 9 on 1942-s (coneca die 2). I thought it must be a known variety and sent it to ANACs but they just attributed it DDO so I guess it's unlisted.

The 3rd is one of the many broken T varieties.

I even found a 4th one with doubling on the vertical bar of the second T but I can't be sure it's not damage or a strike double.

I still plan to re-check this roll because I could see several that might be other broken T varieties. It seems to be a year that you need to look very close at or miss some. In years of searching I've never found any of the FS listed ones for the year in any grade those are super rare in unc grades but I keep reading here of circs being found. Lucky guys

[Bob P]

Keep searching ED. I have found MANY circulated examples of the top 1941 FS listed doubled dies. They are definitely out there. As far as the full/broken Ts, I now have 15 different, and a lot of folks don't even know about them. I had posted a thread about them before, but I will put a few of the pics again in here so people can know what to look for.

[wavysteps2003]

Bob - Question; do you believe that the broken "T" was repunched or re-hubbed. The reason that I ask is that I am presently doing a study on the 1946 dies and the weakness on the 46.

The reason that the 46 is weak on just about all the dies produced in this year was that the last two digits of the date were punched into the master die, which of course produced the working hub, which produced the working dies. In the year 1946, who ever did the punching of those digits did not eat his "wheaties" (I know, a pun) that day. This practice of punching the last two digits into the master die continued into the 1980's.




Typically, this is what you see on this date from all three mints. Ahem, also look at the mint mark - look odd??????????




The top picture is an example of what I believe is a repunched "4" in the date, which according to some, did not happen. Supposedly, repunching of the date stopped with the production of the IHP. But who knows???????????

Thanks,
BJ

[Bob P]

BJ...
The way I understand about the Full T over Broken T was that one, or maybe two master hubs had the broken T in TRUST. With the multiple hubbings used in those days, it was pretty common for multiple hubs to be used, and there are examples of it in many dies. In my mind, I find it inconceivable that they would re-punch a letter like the last T in TRUST. My guess is that once they found out the first hub was bad, they tried to cover it up by using another hub rather than destroying a hub that was actually in pretty good shape. I think the same thing happened in 1936 with the broken R of LIBERTY.
As far as your 1946's go, there is evidence to make me believe that there was some sort of repunching done on the last two digits of the date to improve the quality enough to at least be able to see the 46. If this indeed happened, it happened after a significant amount of coinage was already struck. It is conceivable that the coin you reference could have been a new hub produced midway through the year.
I guess the only way to know for sure would have been to be there. Yours reminds me a little bit of the master die doubling of 1944 in the date. Too many questions, and not enough answers from those who knew.

[walkingdude]

I belive I found a broken "T", but mine has the extra "T" line at the top of the "t" and it might be fatter on the right side, the coin is a little dirty. Have to find me a rose bush thorn.

Shame it wasn't a rpm, it would make a great one.

[Steven]

This one kinda looks like the last one in the photos Bob listed in this string???????

Steven

[Bob P]

It does kinda look like it Steven. There are other 1941P coins out there that are hubbed only with the broken T hub. Pretty interesting stuff huh??