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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 3:41 pm |
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Ed, Thanks for the info. It makes a lot of sense. When, (and if I ever get around to making an inventory of my collection(s), in EXCEL), the crosses will be included. I am not a typist, and until I get my "Dragon" sufficiently tamed to be able to dictate, "excel" will have to wait. I have to reluy entirely on photos, (on the site), to determine most of the info, because I can't tell enough from a picture in a book to tell what anything is. Not knowing how to use Overlays properly, I use "eatio, and proportion, with an artists grid, for MM position. I usually can get "ball-park accuracy!
It would be nice to obtain the Vol 1 of Billy's guide, as I'm sure there will be some info that will be superceded, but not always included in a newer Ed. I plan on getting the Vol 2, and Billy, I might ask if you will be giving your autograph in a few of the first volumes? Before I forget. I am assuming the new book will be "Hardbound". Is it possible that a "spiral-bound" book be available? Considering the number of pages, ( I first sat 500+/-, and later billy mentioned he was working ond, or about page 1086. That many pages for a "spiral-bound", would be very unwieldy, I suspect. I ask, because I use a CCTV system to read some books, and nagazines. I also use "zoom-Text" where possible. All else failing, I can usually rely on the "magnifier"! I have a book on "Photo-grading", but it is useless, because I can't focus on a point, to see the differences in wear so, I don't grade. thanks fior the info, and find that biggie!
Dick
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eagamesExpert Member
Posts: 3013 Joined: 15 Nov 2005
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 4:24 pm |
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 5:11 pm |
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Ed, I just read both pages of the link you gave! They are sure up-tight about the new book. I can't say that I blame them.
Getting dopwn to "brass tacks", I wasn't too entheused about the Vol. 2, iof the fourth ED. I expected to see a better coverage of the cent there, but...... I find Chucks book(s), much more inclusive on the cent. Especially, since they arere the only ones I collect, for varieties. Naturally, I collect other coins, vut only by date, and MM.
Dick
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CoinboyJayMember
Posts: 99 Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:37 pm |
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Apologies to all. In my post replying to Dick's question as to why more than one system, I neglected to recognize C.D.'s main reason for creating his own system: It's a labor of love. The man simply LOVES Lincoln Cent varieties and wants to share/help anyone who wants to learn, as he did.
It doesn't get any better than that.
Thank you C.D.
Cheers,
JAY
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CoinboyJayMember
Posts: 99 Joined: 22 Nov 2008
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 7:42 pm |
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Whoops......didn't mean to leave Mr. Crawford out. Obviously someone that spends the amount of time and effort as he does promoting the hobby has a lot of passion for it also.
1500 pages?!?!?! WOW, can't wait to get my hands on that one!!!
Cheers,
JAY
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DickExpert Member
Posts: 5780 Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Location: Rialto, CA.
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Posted: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:56 pm |
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Jay, remember, I asked first!
Dick
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coppercoinsSite Admin
Posts: 2809 Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Location: Springfield, Missouri.
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Posted: Tue Dec 30, 2008 7:03 pm |
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Billy,
If you need photos, just ask. I have no problem with sharing what I have. I am to credit for some, Bob is to credit for most of the others - but I'll be sure to let you know who to credit for anything I pass to you.
If you don't see photos for any die varieties here, ask about that too. I might just have one and just haven't yet done the photos.
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ddorpmAdvanced Member
Posts: 101 Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 11:12 am |
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Hi Chuck,
Thank you and I still have your photos that you took of the 1982P-1DR-001 that were illustrated in a past DVN issue. I plan to use those and credit you.
The values shown on your site for that variety -- are those about right? I don't know of any actual sale and you mentioned in another post of some varieties may need values updated. I just wanted to make sure so as to coordinate with you on putting out correct information for variety enthusiast.
Thanks,
Billy
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coppercoinsSite Admin
Posts: 2809 Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Location: Springfield, Missouri.
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 12:50 pm |
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To my knowledge there are two specimens known and neither has ever been up for sale...I believe the estimates I posted on the site are fair, given all the circumstances for this die - small date, zinc planchets, 1982 being a tough year for survivability of zinc planchets, and the fact that there are only two known.
I mean, really...the 1983 DDR sells at $400+ in 65 and there are hundreds certified. I would think a value much higher for this one would be worthy of what it is, wouldn't you?
Of course adjustment would be necessary if it came down to an actua sale, but for the two pieces I know of, the collectors who own them plan to carry them to their graves...so more will have to surface. If you have a different idea of value I would certainly like to hear it so I can adjust mine if necessary.
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coopExpert Member
Posts: 3402 Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 1:14 pm |
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eagamesExpert Member
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 3:34 pm |
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We can easily debunk the low price on the big 1982 DDR.
Here's a test:
Will anyone sell one in any grade that was verified as this variety by any respected expert or ANACS, NGC, PCGS for a few hundred $ ?
I bet nobody has one to sell and the few that do aren't going to sell them for under a few thousand.
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Bob PSite Admin
Posts: 3482 Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Niceville, Florida
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Posted: Fri Jan 02, 2009 8:47 pm |
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Coop...I just found my second one tonight! How weird is that?? I still find it hard to believe that we would have the only four known. I have just never heard of anyone else saying they found one yet. Congrats on your second 'baby'.
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coopExpert Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:01 pm |
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Bob:
There are only three known so far. My one and your two. I appreciate the update though. They are so easy to find when you get one. The just grab your eyeballs!
_________________ Richard S. Cooper
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eagamesExpert Member
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:05 pm |
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Coop, I've searched a lot of 2002-D cents for that one and never found one. They're tough to find!
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ddorpmAdvanced Member
Posts: 101 Joined: 05 Mar 2005
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Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 4:39 pm |
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| coppercoins wrote: |
To my knowledge there are two specimens known and neither has ever been up for sale...I believe the estimates I posted on the site are fair, given all the circumstances for this die - small date, zinc planchets, 1982 being a tough year for survivability of zinc planchets, and the fact that there are only two known.
I mean, really...the 1983 DDR sells at $400+ in 65 and there are hundreds certified. I would think a value much higher for this one would be worthy of what it is, wouldn't you?
Of course adjustment would be necessary if it came down to an actua sale, but for the two pieces I know of, the collectors who own them plan to carry them to their graves...so more will have to surface. If you have a different idea of value I would certainly like to hear it so I can adjust mine if necessary. |
Thanks Chuck for the info. Yes, I totally agree with you on the values. And as you said, one can adjust if there are ever any actual sales in the future.
Thanks again,
Billy
P.S.: Also, neat finds on the 2002-D DDR. The doubling appearance reminds me of one on a 2004-D DDR. Congrats!!!!
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