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StevenExpert Member
Posts: 1298 Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: S/E Missouri
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Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2006 5:04 pm |
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This 1921 Morgan has what looks like notches on some of the lettering and stars and also what looks similar to mechanical tripling of the lettering and stars of the Obverse. These two photos are of a couple of the letters. Might this be a double or triple die?
Thanks for looking,
Steven
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Bob PSite Admin
Posts: 3482 Joined: 01 Jul 2003 Location: Niceville, Florida
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 6:28 am |
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The notching would lead me to believe that it is a doubled die. As you pointed out also though, there is obvious mechanical/strike doubling also. Do all of the letters that show the notching show it in the same direction? Does the strength of the doubling change anywhere on the coin?
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StevenExpert Member
Posts: 1298 Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: S/E Missouri
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 10:33 am |
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The tripling is on almost the entire obverse of this coin. The notching is on the left side (top and bottom) of E PLURIBUS and on the right side of the UM (top and bottom). The same thing is going on with the head. This photo is of one of the cotton leaves that shows the notching and the tripling. This is not a very good looking coin scratched up and dirty but I'm out of lincolns for a few days.
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coopExpert Member
Posts: 3402 Joined: 17 Sep 2003 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Sun Apr 23, 2006 11:40 am |
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Seems to me the images are taken too close. Back off a little and see if it still shows. Looking too close at nothing sometimes looks like something at times.
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coppercoinsSite Admin
Posts: 2809 Joined: 29 Jun 2003 Location: Springfield, Missouri.
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Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2006 12:03 am |
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GarryNExpert Member
Posts: 1296 Joined: 09 Jul 2003 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 8:35 pm |
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Steven, is it a Philadelphia issue? or a branch mint? When you leaf thru the VAM book, virtually every date has some number of die combinations that show doubling around the stars, date, arrows, wreath and legend, etc. Some are more pronounced than others. If you have a VAM book handy, look it up. Maybe the doubling is mentioned there.
There would be other die characteristics other than the doubling which would identify the variety, such as date placement, die chips, cracks and in the case of certain 1921 issues there are other more interesting varieties such as the "rusted die", the "infrequent reeding". If not, let me know which mint is the source and I will check the copy at the shop.
Look half way down the page and there is a detailed description of some characteristics of 1921 Morgan dollars:
http://auctions.overstock.com/sm-1921-p-sgs-graded-slabbed-ms67-morgan-silver-dollar--pg-PRODDET_pi-22633928_ti-82087.html
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StevenExpert Member
Posts: 1298 Joined: 30 Nov 2005 Location: S/E Missouri
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Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2006 11:18 pm |
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I don't have a VAM book as yet and I can find nothing distinguishable on this coin other than maybe to much time with it . No die cracks, chips etc. The only thing may be the flow lines of the metal only show near the rim at a slight angle from left to right as it goes toward the rim.
Thanks for your time with this poor example of a 1921P.
Steven
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