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1865 Longacre doubling?
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ken
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 5:00 pm Reply with quote





I am listing some Indians today and came across this.Strong doubling of usoa,bust,headress and profile.The doubling on usoa is like a 2nd smaller letter was pressed over a larger letter.Re-cut Question Date is normal and so is reverse.I know my pics do not help much.All comments appreciated.Thank you
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:30 pm Reply with quote

Yes--I think what you found is called "Longacre outlines/doubling" which is not due to a double-hubbed die, but part of the die tools used for the legend. Here's what Rick Snow wrote on the subject:

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These shelflike outlines are part of the device and lettering punch and are transferred to the master die. They seem to have no purpose at all. The are part of the design but will not show up on a die if the die was not hubbed deep enough or if the die was ground down to a point where the outlines were effaced. They can be used to describe dies, but are not themselves premium varieties.


The only DD known for 1865 is a DDR, and only paired with the "fancy 5" date obverse.

As a contrast, here's a verified DDO, the 1887 Snow-1. Note how the doubling has a clear directional offset with split serifs on the legend:

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