My newest finds...

creilly · Veteran Member

Here are my newest finds. If anyone can tell me about them I'dlove it. the 58D has these strange raised marks but look into the loops of the 8 and you will see more of them.
on th 1st of the 57 D I just thought it looked cool with the filled die... its much moredramtic under the scope then the picture showes.
and Finally the last 57D look between the 5 and the 7 has a raised buldge in the coin.. die chip?

Steven · Expert Member

I would think the 1958D die had something bounce across it causing a pattern of gouges and the 1957D looks like a couple of die cracks eventually led to a piece of the die to break away.

Only my humble opinion.

Dick · Expert Member

Hi Cathy! Long time no see! How are things going?
The raised spot looks like something, like glue, or something else might have dropped on it. The "inverted dimples", problably are, as Steven says damage of some sort to the die. I save all the "filled die" letters, and numbers, because they are "cool". The later '50's, are full of them.
Dick

coop · Expert Member

1958-D Die scratch that you can see the line continuing to the rim under the 8. Its an old die scratch with a breaking on on the inside of the lower loop of the 8. They probably kept on using this die for quite some time after your coin was made.

1957-D Yhe last number 7 on the date looks fatter because of possible grease or die wear on the field area. The first one shows a couple of die cracks between the date. The one to the mintmark may have at one time been a scratch, the eventually cracked the die. This happens when the dies get thinned from overcleaning or cracked from a clash. Usually die cracks are curved and rough looking. A die scratch is usually straight, but may have a hook in them. Depending on the cleaning direction.

The second 1957-D Looks like a couple of cracks with a deteriation of the die in the second one.

Usually striking produces wear. Clashing with no planchet causes cracks. Die cleaning to remove the clash marks wears out more of the fields on the die. Sometimes you can see the scratch of a wire brush on the deeper part fo the die. But usually it is just one wire that scratches there. Eventually die scratch lines on the field flatten. Die crack only get worse with more striking.

creilly · Veteran Member

I am doing ok.. I have been slinking around here being quite. having some major family issues and well.... anyway. Anyonewant a mother in law.. Im giving her away with some wheaties!!!
I know they arent much but I liked the look of them. Which is why I posted them the 58 is def. xtra copper not glue or anything I dont do photos very well.

Good to see everyone.

Dick · Expert Member

Cathy, I'm sorry to hear about the unpleasant things that are happening, but not all of them were, (are), bad. Mine was a hewel, and she watched my back, like no other! Of course I was her favorite, (and only) so-in-law., and the only "Northe-Americano" in the family. I loved her, as Much as one loves his own mother. I had possibly 10 minutes before, been stopped, and embraced, while on my way to the bathroom. When I returned, my sister-in-law asked me to look in on her Mom, and she had passed away! It still hurts! She was 98. This was in 1986. I'm still keeping my eye peeled for any SC's for you. Nice to see you again.
Dick

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

On the 58; definite die damage caused by a circular object. May have been caused by a coin being askewed during the strike and being there for three seperate strikes, but that is just a guess.

On the 57; this is similar to what happens in the formation of the "BIE" (or any of the other formations of this type; ex, LII, IIB, etc.). Since the working die is fairly brittle, when die cracks form between adjacent design elements, there is a tendency for that area to "chip out". Another great example of this is the large chipped out areas between the Memorial building columns sometimes seen (there have been a few pictures of these errors posted in this forum). I imagine that this die did not last much longer before it was replaced, even more so since it was on the obverse (the MINT, for soime reason, is more apt to change a damaged obverse die than a damaged reverse die).

BJ Neff

creilly · Veteran Member

OH Dick... my mother in law.. IF I told you half of what I have been through.....
The worst at the moment I am being sued by my MOTHER IN LAW for MY grandfathers coin collection that he left me.
On the bases that I shouldn't have it because she wants it. And had requested the court issue a restraining order against me until it can all be settled in court. The restraining order is to keep me away from my own coins.
She never even met my Grandfather. Now most of you will say well she will never get it. But I have now been to court 3 times for this and can not currently go into my own garage for fear I will steal my own coins. UNDER COURT ORDER!
What I scoffed at at first, I now have a real fear of losing the collection. On what grounds you ask? That I plan on using the proceeds of the sale of the coins to steal her house from her and move in then divorce my husband and make him pay me alimony.

Dick · Expert Member

BJ, that explains a lot of things for me! More proof of just how LITTLE I know about coins! I have several (2006, P/D?) that have large "mounds", similar to that Cathy posted, and didn't know what had caused them. L'll locate them, and post some pics.
Cathy, your M-I-L sounds like she, and my aunt, My dads sister, appear to have the same blood in their veins! A point to determine: Did he have a Will, that specified that you were to receive all, or a part of his Estate? If so, it will clarify many things. If not, you have big trouble! However if there exists such a document, then you can counter-sue on grounds of extortion, with intent to defraud. I'm no lawyer, but that should be "in the ballpark". My aunt had three sons. She also had a huge fortune that was from Real Estate, and some of it was "ripped-off" from my granddads fortune. When he died, my aunt told us kids, that we had been "taken care of". Oh so well! We lost our inheritance, and my dad lost his, as well! And he lost his part of an inheritance from a great-aunt, who owned many shares of AT&T. (Early '40's). It was supposed to be shared among the three of them, my aunt, an uncle, and my dad. She got it all. When she "eventually" passed away, she told the three sons to "fight over it"! One of them owned a Jaguar Dealership, in San Jose, CA, another raises calves for slaughter, and the third suffered a nervous break-down, during WWII. "LIKE MOTHER, LIKE SON"! MAY SHE BURN IN HELL,THRU ALL ETERNITY! GREED, and ENVY are two feelings, or emotions, or conditions that GOD should never allowed us to have! I wish you well, in your future dealings with this person. If there is justice in this life, let it be seen, NOW! Take care, little lady!
Dick