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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:10 am Reply with quote

I'm pretty sure this is the 002.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 7:55 am Reply with quote

It does look close especially on the S. Did you check the markers on the site?
http://coppercoins.com/lincoln/diestate.php?date=1937&die_id=1937p1dr002&die_state=mds
The obverse concentric circles might be a help.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:10 am Reply with quote

I did check the markers and most did check out. It was a little difficult as my coin has more wear than the one on the site.

coop, forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by the concentric circles on the obverse?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:27 am Reply with quote

They looks like die scratches on the obverse, but on the devices. Note the ones on the bust of Lincoln. See how they show on the obverse images. Because these are lower than the coin, they may remain for a while longer as they are set deeper in the pattern. They look simillar to lathe marks on a die, but just not as symmetrical (had to lookup the spelling of this word) as they are done by hand during the cleaning/polishing to remove die clash marks.

Here is an example of lathe marks:

Check the obverse on your coin to see if they match the ones on the 002. If they do, that may be the marker you needed.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:43 am Reply with quote

Thanks coop. Very informative. I checked but I think the coin is too worn to tell. I can barely make out the mark above the I in UNITED.

Thanks for your help!
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 2:54 pm Reply with quote

From Wikipedia....'Concentric objects share the same center, axis or origin with one inside the other. Circles, tubes, cylindrical shafts, disks, and spheres may be concentric. Concentric objects do not necessarily have the same radius.'

When I use the word concentric while attributing cents, I generally mean one scratch inside the other that follows the same radial pattern.

Coop's description says they are on the devices, but when I mention them in attributions, this is not always the case. Many concentric die scratches are between the rim and outer devices.

I just wanted to mention this as it is how I use the terminology while doing attributions for the site. Others use the terminology a bit differently.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:38 pm Reply with quote

Thank you Bob.
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