A Doubled die; Exactly what is it?

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

What is the definition for a doubled die?

If you give an answer, please take into consideration both types of hubbing; multi and single squeeze hubbing processes.

Dick · Expert Member

BJ, I will attempt to answer:
A doubled die in the multi-squeeze process will provide several thousand coins with the "design" doubled in the same fashion. The "single squeeze" doublong id an "occasional doubling, such as we have seen on the reverse "central area" in most cases. It also happens on the obverse, and generally in tha same central area. The MN quarters are a good example of this. The statue, (on the cent) is the area most involved, giving doubling od the ststue, and column edges. Your opimion?
dick

eagames · Expert Member

A doubled die is a die with a doubled impression of design elements. Coins made from that die will be doubled die coins.

I'm trying to answer the question which is what is a doubled die not what is a doubled die coin. Wink

Bob P · Site Admin

I see this as a trick question Wink

OK Mr. Neff..what gives???

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

Actually Bob, it is not a trick question. I have this same query posted on two other forums.

The objective is to see what the people, who are into varieties, believe a doubled die is. It is also to see whether we need more clarification in what constitutes a doubled die.

With the single squeeze process of hubbing, the "how" of how it is made changed. Yet, except for Ken Potter's explanation, which I do believe is valid, we have nothing set in definition. Maybe it is time to look at what is up, in both the basic definition and the classes of doubled dies.

BJ Neff

Bob P · Site Admin

Oh...OK BJ, I see where you are going with this. It's just that it came up so suddenly, that I didn't know if it was one of those trick questions or an educational question....Sorry Embarassed

Dick · Expert Member

Bob, you gotta watch those "submariners"!
Dick

eagames · Expert Member

The existing definitions/classes seem to fit well untill I try to think about class 9 because my definition seems to mix class 9 with trails (or what I think they are) and it's hard for me to come up with a deliniation between class 9 ones and trail coins. Seems like a trail is a lot like a class 9 with a big smear like spread.

What is different between them?

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

The major difference is that trail dies (including wavy steps) are not a doubled die and as such do not fit into any class of doubled die.

BJ Neff

Gabe · Senior Member

Lol Bob, I too thought that Bj Neff was tricking us into something! Razz

In its simplest form... isn't a doubled die just a doubling of design elements caused during the hubbing process of the die?

Dick · Expert Member

Gabe, I agree with Bob, and also with you in the concept that trails, and/or wavysteps are not a doubling of the die. It is still a mystery as to what actually causes either anomily,,but BJ is working on it.

"In its simplest form... isn't a doubled die just a doubling of design elements caused during the hubbing process of the die?"

I would say actually, no. More aptly put, it is the result of doubling of design elements caused during the hubbing process. It produces the working die, which in turn produces coins with this doubling effect. Correct me if I am wrong. Don't all of you jump at the same time!
Dick

Gabe · Senior Member

coppercoins · Site Admin

My definition:

A doubled die is a coin minted by a die that exhibits more than one complete design - some or all of the devices on the die are doubled, thus transferring to every coin minted by that die.

wavysteps2003 · Expert Member

Thanks Chuck for that explanation. I have a feeling you know what this is about!

Regards,
BJ

Dick · Expert Member

Gabe, After reading your post again, Yes, it sure is. It didn't register the first time thru, (but that is "par for the course". for me! Laughing

Dick