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Sweden 1884 5 ore with poss. repunched or re-engraved letter
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KurtS
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:21 am Reply with quote

Lately I've been finding many coins of Sweden with repunched letters and dates. Either they're common, or I know where to look. Very Happy

Here's another example where the R in ORE shows a second outline on both sides of the letter.
For instance, the serifs appear to be extended and a few contours on the right side of R are clearly extended or doubled.
At first, I thought this might be a doubled die, but nothing else nearby is doubled. Confused
Also, if the die were double-hubbed, I'd expect to see at least some small offset on those doubled serifs.
Instead, they are perfectly aligned outward. My guess is this letter was intentionally repunched or re-engraved on the die.
Perhaps the first impression of this letter was weak, or the die was somehow damaged? Whatever the cause, it's an interesting detail.



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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:28 am Reply with quote

Maybe maybe LOL it might be that they used a convex master to make it so that's why it shows best on the center. Yes a wild guess Wink

Maybe Longacre was moonlighting as their advisor Laughing

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 12:51 am Reply with quote

Right--that could easily be it, although I might expect to see some shifting evident on the ends of serifs? For instance, there is a slight angle to the secondary image of the vertical main stroke, but the serifs and the top of the R show no displacement. On another contemporary coin, the IHC, I'd expect to see something there. Of course--there the date was added after hubbing.

Anyway it's a minor detail--and just a few wild guesses/thinking out loud. I don't see much evidence of shoulders on die tools on larger devices of this period...some are on small date punches to be sure.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:37 am Reply with quote

Kurt, that is an interesting coin. I see the "effect" you mention, and The thought MD comes to mind, and then I ask HOW? I don't see anything out of the ordinary, on any of the other devices, or date. Nice coin!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:28 am Reply with quote

Geez Kurt I love the photo's you take, your images are so clear!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 10:42 am Reply with quote

Daggit,
Thanks to my Nikon macro lens...it borders on being a microscope. Of course, on the downside it picks out every blemish on a coin, including some I cannot see. Laughing

Dick,
Yes--I considered MD too, except the extension on the left serifs moves the other direction, and it's too well-defined for some kind of die deterioration, imo.

I'm reminded of this Newfoundland coin I have that shows the date re-engraved on the die:

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:40 am Reply with quote

OOh, that's a real goodie! Kurt, you did it again!
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 11:50 am Reply with quote

Dick, that's a documented variety--and I bought it attributed a while ago. It's a good reminder of what a re-engraved die might look like. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2008 4:30 pm Reply with quote

Kurt, that's a good idea. Nothing like having the "real thing" to compare a doubtful one to.
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